a dream i had yesterday

im not sure how dreamlike it actually is versus psychic experience.

but all i can recall now was the tail end of a dream where i was looking for a city. i dont even recall why. and a man's voice was talking to me about it. i woke up then and as i was still between waking and sleeping i heard his voice tell me to "go to Antethigony". i can say it is likely connected to the name of the city in the dream.

my friend Ama told me today that it sounds a lot like the title for the play Antigone. i have read the first half of that play before. its fascinating. and i do recall the man in my dream seemed to wear white robes looking like some sort of toga or greek robe thing. so maybe? but Antigone was a person of the play not the city. im really not sure what the message is supposed to be here. i certainly am not picking up right now and runnin off to greece or rome either. dont have the money to anyways.

but i will say the overll impression i had of the man was middle aged but still somehow youthful looking. he was kind and gentle, and had a very knowing and relaxing presence.

well it sounds like your well aside from being on a path in your dream it sounds like you're setting out on a task to a new ending. Is there something going on in your life right now that you find you're doing that you didn't think you'd do?

the antethigony I have no idea about. The thing that popped in my head when I read that was 2 words. Anthony and agony. Don't know if that has any meaning to you or not.

sounds like the guy had both outside beauty which is usually associated with a youthful appearance and inside knowledge. Someone that would give you advice and you would listen thinking they would guide you on the right way. Kind of like what you'd consider a counselor.

yah, im going to college which is something i honestly thought i would never do. while i cant guarantee the outcome of this path i can at least move down it, and see where it takes me. there are many things in this life i want to do while im still here and most are not easy or even common.

so i can see where youre comin from on that one with new paths and all that. but as to why give me a message about it i dont know cuz i already know im on a new path...

heh as to why, i dont know that either dear..maybe it's just a good for you for trying to do it sort of a thing?

Atlantis comes to my mind hearing the name.

hmmm...interesting

babs51 wrote:

Atlantis comes to my mind hearing the name.

So glad you mentioned this Babs. It to was the first thing that popped into my head.
It wasn't until I read further that I saw it was related to a play. A play I have no knowledge of.
Knowing that my insight is useless except for the man's voice. I see this as possibly a spirit guide other than that I can comment no further. Sad too because I've taken an interst and likeing to Ussula's dreams. She really has some good ones...almost makes me jealous

Topper

I looked up the play and decided to post some of the themes of the play, which I found on the internet. I hope it helps you decipher your dream,


State control
A well established theme in Antigone is the right of the individual to reject society's infringement on her freedom to perform a personal obligation,[12] obvious in Antigone's refusal to let Creon dictate what she is allowed to do with her family members. She says to Ismene about Creon's edict, "He has no right to keep me from my own."[13] Related to this theme is the question whether Antigone's will to bury her brother is based on rational thought or instinct, a debate whose contributors include greats like Goethe.
Natural law and contemporary legal institutions
In Antigone, Sophocles asks the question, which law is greater: God's or man's. Sophocles votes for God (or more appropriately, the gods, since the early Greeks were polytheistic). He does this in order to save Athens from the moral destruction which seems imminent. Sophocles wants to warn his countrymen about hubris, or arrogance, because he knows this will be their downfall. Oedipus the King, the prequel to Antigone, expounds on the idea of hubris-that of Oedipus. In Antigone, the hubris of Creon is revealed.
Civil disobedience
The contrasting views of Creon and Antigone with regard to laws higher than those of state inform their different conclusions about civil disobedience. Creon demands obedience to the law above all else, right or wrong. He says that "there is nothing worse than disobedience to authority" (An. 671). Antigone responds with the idea that state law is not absolute, and that it can be broken in civil disobedience in extreme cases, such as honoring the gods, whose rule and authority outweighs Creon's.
Citizenship
The concept of citizenship appears most clearly in the values clash between Creon and Antigone. Creon defines citizenship as utmost obedience to the will of the state, and thus condemns Antigone to death when he feels that she has abandoned her citizenship by disobeying him. Antigone allows more room for individualism within the role of the citizen. The debate over citizenship, however, extends beyond just the argument between Creon and Antigone.
Creon's decree to leave Polyneices unburied in itself makes a bold statement about what it means to be a citizen, and what constitutes abdication of citizenship. It was the firmly kept custom of the Greeks that each city was responsible for the burial of its citizens. Herodotus discussed how members of each city would collect their own dead after a large battle to bury them.[14] In contrast with the Persians who would leave their dead unburied, the Greeks considered burial a sign of recognition of citizenship and affiliation. In Antigone, it is therefore natural that the people of Thebes did not bury the Argives, but very striking that Creon prohibited the burial of Polyneices. Since he is a citizen of Thebes, it would have been natural for the Thebans to bury him. Creon is telling his people that Polyneices has distanced himself from them, and that they are prohibited from treating him as a fellow-citizen and burying him as is the custom for citizens.
In prohibiting the people of Thebes from burying Polyneices, Creon is essentially placing him on the level of the other attackers—the foreign Argives. For Creon, the fact that Polyneices has attacked the city effectively revokes his citizenship and makes him a foreigner. As defined by this decree, citizenship is based on loyalty. It is revoked when Polyneices commits what in Creon's eyes amounts to treason. When pitted against Antigone's view, this understanding of citizenship creates a new axis of conflict. Antigone does not deny that Polyneices has betrayed the state, she simply acts as if this betrayal does not rob him of the connection that he would have otherwise had with the city. Creon, on the other hand, believes that citizenship is a contract; it is not absolute or inalienable, and can be lost in certain circumstances. These two opposing views- that citizenship is absolute and undeniable and alternatively that citizenship is based on certain behavior- are known respectively as citizenship 'by nature' and citizenship 'by law.'
Fidelity
Antigone's determination to bury Polynices arises from a desire to bring honor to her family, not just to the gods. She repeatedly declares that she must act to please "those that are dead" (An. 77), because they hold more weight than any ruler. In the opening scene, she makes an emotional appeal to her sister Ismene saying that they must protect their brother out of sisterly love, even if he did betray their state. Antigone makes very few references to the gods, and so it is very easy to interpret much of her reasoning for honoring higher laws as those referencing laws of family honor, not divine laws.
While he rejects Antigone's actions based on family honor, Creon appears to value family heavily himself as well. This is one of the few areas where Creon and Antigone's values seem to align. When talking to Haemon, Creon demands of him not only obedience as a citizen, but also as a son. Creon even goes so far as to say "everything else shall be second to your father's decision" ("An." 640-641). This stance seems extreme, especially in light of the fact that Creon elsewhere advocates obedience to the state above all else. While it is not clear how he would handle these two values in conflict, it is clear that even for Creon, family occupies a place as high if not higher than the state.
Portrayal of the gods
In Antigone as well as the other Theban Plays, there are very few references to the gods. Hades is the god who is most commonly referred to, but he is referred to more as a personification of Death. Zeus is referenced a total of 13 times by name in the entire play, and Apollo is referenced only as a personification of prophecy. This lack of mention portrays the tragic events that occur as the result of human error, and not divine intervention. The gods are portrayed as chthonic, as near the beginning there is a reference to "Justice who dwells with the gods beneath the earth." Sophocles references Olympus twice in Antigone. This contrasts with the other Athenian tragedians, who reference Olympus often.

Also, some inferences to Dragons appearing in dreams, also from the internet.


The Jung/Freud Approach

Dragon
(1) Is the dragon guarding a treasure, or a cave which might contain treasure? If so, the cave probably represents your unconscious, the treasure represents yourself, the dragon that stands between you and your true self represents the fearsomeness of the unconscious, for one who is still afraid of what may be lurking there. This is a repression of the unconscious contents

(2) For Jung, the first stage of the individuation process is the conscious ego's heroic struggle {the hero/heroine journey of mythology} to lift itself out of the orginal all-encompassing unconsciousness and to establish control of unconscious forces. This finds symbolic representation in the legendary dragon-slayer, St George (St George = the ego; the dragon = the unconscious).

(3) The dragon may represent the devouring aspect of (your relationship with) your mother. 'Slaying the dragon' may therefore mean putting an end to whatever in your attachment to your mother is detrimental to the process of finding your own psychic individuality. Once the individual has achieved liberation from the 'dragon', the feminine side of the man's psyche and the masculine side of the woman's psyche will no longer appear in threatening form, but as an indispensable companion and guide in further stages of self-development.

(4) A dragon may represent the generative power of (Mother) Nature; the unconscious, felt as womb pregnant with new possibilities of life.

(5) A winged dragon may symbolize some kind of transcendence, some passing from 'lower' to 'higher' level of personal maturity.

(6) A dragon may be a symbol for your sexuality, particularily if it - your sexuality - frightens you. Is your fear irrationsal; or does sexuality threaten to rule your life? In either case, don't kill the 'dragon'; if necessary tame it.
(In China, 'chi' is good, life-giving energy and the channels it runs along are called 'dragon-lines', which are said to follow underground water and underground magnetic fields).

Thanks

Thank you Wendy for posting this it very intereseting I like dream analysis. Th subc- mind has a very unusual way in talking to the con- mind.

thankyou very much for posting the info on the play. im sorry i didnt respondf to it before now, but with my mon beinbg ill and then passing away i was a bit occupied. i still havnt read more than a few lines of it but im about to finish reading it now. i just wanted to pause and say thanks for researching it, and that so far it might make sense to me those first few lines.

my son is on probation and since he is a minor, 15 years old, thAT legally automatically makes me financially and legally responsible for him and his actions. i do not agree with this for i believe each persons crime is their own. but it is what it is right now, so there have been certain obligations legally that i have had to keep up with as well as my son being on probation. for example they made me take p[arenting classes...

as a result of this i have literally been battling the system. they forced me to drop a class in college to make sure i attend parenting class. im not sayin i wouldnt be willin to attend parenting class, just thaty its also important that i continue in college to make a better life for us. i feel they shoild have better and more lenient and understanding scheduling than they do. but they didnt see it my way and under threat of artrest and ending up on probation myself i had to drop the class. i was very angry at them. (they tell kids not to drop out of school then act like hipocrits and force me to do it). even my art class has suffered as through the winter on dangerous icy michigan roiads i had to race home to get my son and take him to his own probation ordered scheduled appointments. just sayin i wish there was bettwr scheduling.

and then while my mom had been sick i kept tryin to take time off the parenting class to be with her. they kept tellin me to go to parenting class anyeays. the day she died i had pretty much gave them a big "F*** U" and went to the hospital anyways. i did not know for sure beforehand that mom was about to die. i weas hoping she would pull through but she had a major surgery that day for a biopsy of her lung that the doctors felt she needed to even have a chancer to survive at all. so i went to the hospital anfd spent all day there. she came out of surgery at 5 30 pm , the exact time i was supposed to show up for parenting class, and then went into respratory arrest. by 5 45 she had passed.

i was very glad i had ignored the law and went to see her. luckily for me, after i told them she had indeed passed, they did not take their heartlessness so far as to have me arrested for contempt of court. but that should never have been a concern to begin with. it is unfortuinate that it was. but i am glad i took the risk. if i had not i would hjave regretted it my whole life.

so the beginning of your research post makes a lot of sense to me. i will post more after i read the whole thing if i feel i need to.

thankyou again.

ok, to continue responding to the antigone post...

the part where you research dragon dreams...

most of the mentioned instances i do not feel pertains to me personally at this time simply because i do not usually dream of an e3vil or agressive dragon i must fight or overcome. usually in the dream it is myself who is the dragon. i might be guarding something in the dream or teaching someone else or goin on a mission for higher powers or leading troops into battle. but when i dream of dragons almost always i am the dragon and i am never evil. i might attack something else however if i feel it is evil or if i feel it poses a threat that cannot be alowed to continue. i have even swooped down from the sky and saved others from enemies by carrying them off to safety in my claws. i have swallowed treasure hoards to keep it safe from greedy bloodthirsty armies of humans chasing me....for me it is not the dragon in dreams that is evil or scary but when i am in dragon form it is the humans that are evil and scary.

however...i usually have wings so that might pertain...and sometimes it is sexual...though not in the exact way someone might expect >.>

I am so sorry to hear about your Mom, and certainly glad you were able to be with her. My heart just goes out to you, as I know you are doing your best with so many issues.
I was thinking about what you said as you gave a description of your dragon dreams. I guess I would ask myself what qualities a good dragon has.

1. They can fly.
2. They guard their young.
3. They are powerful.

Maybe what your dragon is trying to tell you is that you are trying to rise above (flying) and help your son and others. It is so difficult to interpret dreams as they are so personal. Sometimes they defy the traditional meanings. I would try keeping a dream log so you can get a better perspective on your own dreams.


((((hugs))))

ok... i had lost internet over the weekend so i couldnt post this till now, but a few nights ago i had a weird dream.

it involved being chased around by werewolves and avoiding them and continuously almost getting bit by them.

i do have strange dreams like this on occassion. werewolves are not the only strange subjects of these strange dreams though...some dreams are of other mythologies. but this one was specifically another werewolf theme.

To see a werewolf in your dream, indicates that something in your life is not what it seems.It is symbolic of fear, repressed anger, and uncontrollable violence. Therefore, you were running away from these things and emotions. Being bitten would mean you fear "becoming" a werewolf yourself, which I am sure you do not want. I would look at the people or things in your life which may be causing these problems.
You don't want to be harmed or become like these people or things . Maybe you could find a positive way to vent your anger and fear.
I used to always clean and vacuum the whole house. Now I turn on "angry songs" and sing along with them really loud. Somehow it helps.

(((HUGS)))

that interpretation sounds just like my life right now. im always lookin for ways to vent the anger inside. i honestly dont want to hurt anyone, not even on a psychic level. but anger is a real emotion brought on by real things. it doesnt normally just appear, something negbative causes it. in this instance there are people causing it. i feel justified in being angry about it and i want real justice, not mans version of justice. but i recognize the potential for angry emotions to radiate out on the psychic level and harm those im angry with. as much as im angry with them that is not my true intention. i also know it could lead to karmic backlash if i dont constantly try to control it. its a battle between anger and self defense instincts and wanting to do things right. and honestly once im this kind of angry it dont ever get any less angry. i just hold a grudge and stew over it, even for years. i might think about it 10 years from now and suddenly remember my angry in all its same intensity. so it does worry me a lot it could build up and cause harm.

and for the record, yes i am also afraid.

so the werewolves interpretation sounds right to me.

Of course you don't want to harm anyone. I know that. You just need to to find a safe outlet for your feelings. One of my friends has a drum kit, another hits a pillow, I sing really angry songs. It doesn't hurt anybody, unless they happen to be within hearing range--lol. I sense you are being tested severely right now, and a lot of us are as well. Try coming from a place of love.Surround yourself with protective light and try to remain grounded. I had to cut my family off entirely, because they said I was being negative. I am not, I only react hurtfully because I truly love them and feel they should respect my feelings. Guess what: they are too wrapped up in their own mini dramas to even try to fathom mine.
Remember what Joni Mitchell said: Life is for Learning.
I think we learn about ourselves every day. Earth is a classroom.


(((HUGS)))

ok so heres a new dream i had the other night...just curious what others might say about its meaning.


i hoinestly dont recall a lot about the dream aexcept for its vividness and realism and the fact that when i was wakin up i forced myself to stay asleep quite a bit longer to give me time to attempt to finish the "mission" i felt i had been given for that dream.


i do also recall a huge and deep lake that had a sunken castle in it. most of the castle was underwater but the top of a tower or two were just barely sticking up from the water. i knew something important and powerful and useful was inside the castle. i needed to get inside the castle to get to it. i remember tryin to find a way to get inside or raise the castle from the depths but i couldnt figure it out. eventually an entity that appeared to be the one in charge of this mission appeared. it seemed to be an anthromorphic dragon (a draon that had a human like body type.) I do not believe it was demonic as i would have sensed the evil and i would refuse to serve it. im positive it had to have been of a draconic nature. i did feel its power and the strength of its might made being in its presence difficult because i wanted to just drop to my knees, not so much in fear, altho i would fear to cross it, but because of honor and reverence for it. it felt like i owed my service to it. but the entity asked me to open the way in the castle for it and i said i was trying to but couldnt figure out how to raise the castle from the watery depths and that it needed to raised first or else whats inside the castle could be destroyed. it didnt seem happy but it couldnt exactly do much else either other than try to find a way around the problem. i remember at some point also swimmin around under the water investigating the castle and a way in to raise it and there was a mermaid swimming around me. she seemed to be a bit cryptic in her help and replies to my questions and she too had a powerful presence i wouldnt chose to cross. (mermaids are also largely known to lure sailors and men to their deaths in the water by drowning them. it is unclear as to why this happens, if it is a lovers accident or if she cannibalizes them in mythic lore) as to why she was helpin me i dont even know since as stagted mermaids are supposed to be much more liable to drown a person than help them. i dont recall how the dream ended.

Wow, you have some cool dreams! I think the castle represents a home, and in dreams that generally represents "you", or your inner self. I feel like you are trying to help yourself, and Maybe the Dragon is your guardian/guide.
The Mermaid may be things that are trying to distract you from finding yourself.
Water, on the other hand usually represents our feelings and emotions. Like the waters of the womb, it can also represent security, life and birth. The nature of the water can reveal your emotional state of mind. For example, if you dream of crashing waves or rocky seas, this may show that your emotions are out of control. Thus, you feel like you are under water. What does that that feel like?
Here is a creature of the air trying to help. And a water creature (mermaid) trying to lure you to the depths.
I would try to make some kind of communication with the Dragon, as he is representing help.

(((Hugs)))

Wendy

Thankyou Wendy, that is insightful I am goin through some strange times right now and have been for a while. My emotions are often on edge simply because I never know when or from where the next challenge will strike from and its frustrating and upsetting. But the waters in my dream were actually just calm. The castle was not in the act of falling into the water, it was already there. We were trying to raise it up and open the gateway to something. Your explaination does make some sense to me but I think there may be something else to it as well. The mermaid seemed to be helping but only thru cryptic words and puzzles to solve, she was not being straightforward at all. This does not surprise me as a lot of mythical beings ion folktales are said to be that way. i would also like to make note the mermaid was not aggressive towards me, was not luring me anywhere, and was not drowing me. in fact i seemed to be breathing just fine under water on my own.

That interprets dreams. According to them, being underwater can relate to your own birth. As for me, I think it symbolizes our longing to feel secure, as we were in the womb. If it was a good mermaid, it has something to do with your feelings about femininity, or you inner female.
The Dragon might symbolize power or need for it. The castle is you, as it is a house. I think.
Overall, from what you are saying in your personal life, you are wanting to feel secure and regain your power. But you are looking for a sign or symbol to move forward (mermaid).

I sure hope this helps

thankyou, it does make sense. =)

Ussula, when you break down the greek meaning of Antigonthiy, hope I spelled it correct, you get
anti-meaning against or unwilling, gone -meaning unbending, I would think that perhaps there is somethin inyour life you are unwilling to change of pperhaps you cannot change whatever it is. I am far from an expert on dreams but thought I would add my two cents. Since the person was dressed in classical dress I would think it is something that happened a while ago.

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